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		<title>Intelligent Design, or Plagiarism?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just watching this funny Youtube video when my mind wandered a little and a few random thoughts connected themselves. According to Geneses 1:26: Let us make man in our image, in our likeness and pretty much all classical western religious art depicts god as some big grey bearded elderly gentleman in flowing white [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just watching this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7yAEh-PU4M" target="_self">funny Youtube video </a>when my mind wandered a little and a few random thoughts connected themselves.</p>
<p><span id="more-364"></span>According to Geneses 1:26:</p>
<blockquote><p>Let us make man in our image, in our likeness</p></blockquote>
<p>and pretty much all classical western religious art depicts god as some big grey bearded elderly gentleman in flowing white robes. So, if God made us to look like him then that means he basically just copied a pre-existing design i.e. his own. That&#8217;s plagiarism not Creation or Intelligent Design. Nothing to be revered here.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m ignoring modern apologetics which tries to claim that the passage in Genesis actually means we&#8217;re made in Gods image &#8216;spiritually&#8217; or some other such guff. Hey, if they can ignore evidence why can&#8217;t I? Not that I consider any of the arguments of apologetics to be valid arguments mind you.</p>
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		<title>Intelligent Design video dissected</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Slugsie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago I stumbled upon a web site which linked a video titled &#8220;The Scientific Case for Intelligent Design – Darwinism Debunked&#8220;. I didn&#8217;t have the time to watch it then so I put the link aside. Today I had a quiet afternoon and so I watched it. Below are my notes dissecting the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago I stumbled upon a web site which linked a video titled &#8220;<a href="http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/the-scientific-case-for-intelligent-design-darwinism-debunked/" target="_blank">The Scientific Case for Intelligent Design –  Darwinism Debunked</a>&#8220;. I didn&#8217;t have the time to watch it then so I put the link aside. Today I had a quiet afternoon and so I watched it. Below are my notes dissecting the video as it went.</p>
<p><span id="more-361"></span><br />
Please remember that I took these notes as the video was playing. I&#8217;ve copied them here unedited &#8211; spolling mistooks, abysmal punctuation and grammar unaltered.</p>
<p>First few minutes, Behe and Meyer! This should be awful</p>
<p>Overly dramatic music</p>
<p>Are we dealing with Evolution or Abiogenesis?</p>
<p>Bill Dempskey too!!!</p>
<p>Up to 10 mins, OK, not too bad. Standard documentary fayre &#8211; narrator with deep gravelly voice, a bunch of names all with impressive sounding titles Dr, Prof etc.</p>
<p>10:00 Aaargh! Darwinism! You lose. It&#8217;s called Evolution numbnuts.</p>
<p>And almost straight into micro-eveolution being ok, but macro not being possible.</p>
<p>11:20 Funny how basically every other evolutionary biologist does the same thing but comes up with a very different answer.</p>
<p>12:00 again with Darwinism. Also, seems to think that Evolution hasn&#8217;t progressed as a theory in the 150years since publication of Origin.</p>
<p>12:15 OK, onto Behe and his discredited idea of irreducible complexity it seems.</p>
<p>12:30 Nope, you weren&#8217;t taught Darwinian biology, you were taught evolution that was started by the ideas of Darwin. There is a difference.</p>
<p>14:00 And none of that knowledge has dented Evolutionary theory at all, in fact it&#8217;s completely supported it.</p>
<p>16:00 Hahahaha Bacterial Flagellum. FAIL!</p>
<p>18:00 Not sure when this film was made, but this apparent failure to explain the flagellum is out of date. It has been explained quite successfully.</p>
<p>19:00 The Mouse trap analogy. FAIL. Every single one of those parts works as something by themselves. Just because they don&#8217;t necessarily work as a mouse trap individually means nothing.</p>
<p>20:20 Not quite. You need to explain what function they do do individually or in smaller groups. Or at least show they aren&#8217;t detremental to the organism.</p>
<p>20:45 Please tell me they aren&#8217;t going to mis-quote Darwin about the eye. Please!</p>
<p>22:00 OK, no eye, thankfully.</p>
<p>23:00 A tail that didn&#8217;t function as a flagellum would be selected against? What if that tail did do something useful that wasn&#8217;t a flagellum? What then?</p>
<p>23:50 And Behe was an idiot.</p>
<p>24:10 And is was religiously motivated.</p>
<p>25:40 Assembly instructions? What, bacteria shop at IKEA too?</p>
<p>28:20 It&#8217;s no use, it&#8217;s Turtles all the way down. Pity, I was almost starting to &#8230; nah. <img src='http://www.quietatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>29:30 Game over man! Game over.</p>
<p>29:35 Oh, wait&#8230;</p>
<p>30:50 So, because Darwin couldn&#8217;t explain how life began, that means that his theory &#8211; which works on the assumption that life has already begun by some other mechanism &#8211; is wrong? Fail.</p>
<p>31:50 So, Darwin speculated, nothing more. He never proposed a theory for the origin of life.</p>
<p>32:30 Let&#8217;s be clear, using evolutionary principles, is not saying that evolution had any hand in it.</p>
<p>34:30 OK, on to proteins, this is all way beyond my pay grade so I&#8217;ll probably mostly shut up for a while now.</p>
<p>37:00 Oh hang on, I see where this is going.</p>
<p>37:51 He said it, he said Computer Code! As a programmer he&#8217;s now encroaching on my territory.</p>
<p>40:39 Again, not sure how old this film is, but recent studies have shown that certain proteins can indeed spontaneously assemble.</p>
<p>41:30 And we&#8217;re back to saying that DNA is computer code.</p>
<p>42:50 Oooh, name dropper. You worked at NASA huh.</p>
<p>44:20 Chemical evolution theory &#8211; proved or disproved has not bearing on the veracity of biological evolution.</p>
<p>44:50 You&#8217;re not serious are you? If you have thousands of people doing it constantly for billions of years &#8230; well, what do you think will happen?</p>
<p>45:40 Wow, wasn&#8217;t expecting that. So, you just basically said that biological evolution was irrelevant for causing the start of life. So why have you just spent so much time going on about how we can&#8217;t explain the start of life? I&#8217;m a bit lost here.</p>
<p>46:20 Oh please, please, don&#8217;t lets have an apparently respected scientist just say &#8216;GODDIDIT&#8217;.</p>
<p>46:30 Bugger, he did. Oh well, you just lost all your science privileges. Hand in your lab coat at the door on your way out.</p>
<p>48:00 All very pretty for sure, but I&#8217;m hoping that you&#8217;re going to actually give a SCIENTIFIC explanation for it all that isn&#8217;t GODDIDIT. Or are you hoping we won&#8217;t actually notice that lack?</p>
<p>48:50 I love how this bit is suddenly accompanied by uplifting music. YAY, go GOGDIDIT, I love you now because this video has made me feel so much happier.</p>
<p>51:10 Sure, it&#8217;s &#8216;possible&#8217;, but it&#8217;s not likely. It doesn&#8217;t explain anything, it just poses more &#8211; and usually unanswerable &#8211; questions.</p>
<p>51:20 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is PRECISELY what most of the &#8216;scientists&#8217; presented in this film have done. FAIL</p>
<p>52:10 Because science is about explaining the universe around us, and it must be repeatable and testable. A guiding intelligence doesn&#8217;t fit, not when it could change it&#8217;s mind and make everything work in a different way when ever it felt like it.</p>
<p>52:29 Nope, because we KNOW how they were made.</p>
<p>54:10 And humans are INCREDIBLY bad at judging how probably an event actually is.</p>
<p>55:15 Peridolia, so, your God really does have nothing better to do that make shapes in grilled cheese sandwhiches huh?</p>
<p>55:55 Nope, because we frequently observe PEOPLE DRAWING IN THE SAND. If we had never observed that we mmight come to all sorts of conclusions. Most of which would be wildly wrong. It&#8217;s interesting that you&#8217;re not claiming the very regular almost symmetrical ripples left in the sand by waves &#8211; which do look at least as &#8216;designed&#8217; as the writing were created by an intelligence. Is it because you also know how they were formed?</p>
<p>57:00 Huh? SETI? WTF?</p>
<p>57:30 And just to be clear before they carry on, even if we never detect such a signal it does not disprove intelligent life beyond earth. Also, irrespective of the type of signals received, it says precicely ZERO about non intelligent life.</p>
<p>58:50 Oh WOW. In one breath you say we haven&#8217;t found any other life, then in the next you say that the life here on Earth is the BEST! Statistically irrelevant sample anyone?</p>
<p>1:00:00 GOD OF THE GAPS! So, presumably when scientists DO find the answer you&#8217;ll STFU?</p>
<p>1:01:21 There is no comprehensive case. They&#8217;ve still COMPREHENSIVELY failed to provide the actual evidence that both proves intelligence and disproves evolution.</p>
<p>1:02:00 And so far the evidence has pointed comprehensively away from intelligence.</p>
<p>1:02:30 Again with the uplifting music to add gravity to what these idiots are saying.</p>
<p>1:03:09 GOD OF THE GAPS again. Proves nothing.</p>
<p>1:03:45 If there was a supreme intelligence that wanted the world to be understood, then why did he apparently make it so difficult. If I want my young daughter to understand something I explain it in nice simple terms for her. I don&#8217;t give her a book on electronic theory and circuit design so she can understand how to use her MP3 player.</p>
<p>1:04:10 Pity we also find irrationality, pain, and suffering. All things that we would expect to find if the universe wasn&#8217;t guided by an intelligent agent.</p>
<p>1:05:21 And what do you think will happen in the 22nd century when all that is explained by naturalistic methods just as you are dismissing what happened in the 19th century?</p>
<p>1:06:54 OK, (C) 2002, so that explains why some of the claims are so out of date then.</p>
<p>Well, yes, that was almost completely awful. Very little actual substance to the arguments. I can sum  the whole thing up with &#8230; &#8220;We don&#8217;t yet understand how it happened so we&#8217;ll just go with GODDIDIT.&#8221; But my hopes weren&#8217;t high to be honest.</p>
<p>As usual, I&#8217;ll just take a minute to remind everyone I don&#8217;t claim to be a scientist of any kind. I&#8217;m just an interested bystander. I welcome reasoned and informed discussion. If I have made an egregious error then I am happy to be corrected &#8211; especially if you can provide evidence to back up your position that will allow me to learn my mistake.</p>
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		<title>Pure concentrated stupidity!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Slugsie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you find yourself with about a month free, and feel like melting your brain, you could always pop over to http://www.jesus-is-savior.com &#8211; but I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it. But when you start reading some of that massive content, that&#8217;s when the brain melt will set in. It&#8217;s just a constant barrage of idiotic drivel. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you find yourself with about a month free, and feel like melting your brain, you could always pop over to <a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/" target="_blank">http://www.jesus-is-savior.com</a> &#8211; but I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it. <img src='http://www.quietatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But when you start reading some of that massive content, that&#8217;s when the brain melt will set in. It&#8217;s just a constant barrage of idiotic drivel. The use of so many logical fallacies, over and over. The repeating of straw man arguments that have long since been torn down again and again. It&#8217;s a mark of a truly faith-based mind that it can still believe that any of this would still hold any weight. The only people that it could convince in any way are those that don&#8217;t need convincing in the first place. For those whose minds actually work properly we can see it for the brain fart that it actually is.</p>
<p>Now, I will grant the author one thing (and pretty much only one thing), it must have been a monumental labour of love to create the site. To be able to concentrate such huge amounts of inane, baseless, stupidity into one place&#8230; it&#8217;s almost a work of art!</p>
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		<title>Could we* become gods?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine sometime in the future someone manages to invent a time-machine, and then uses it to take herself, and a few modern, everyday devices back 2000 years or so. What would be the reaction of the local humans to such things as a gas-lighter, a motorbike, a walkie-talkie, or even a gun? With these devices [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine sometime in the future someone manages to invent a time-machine, and then uses it to take herself, and a few modern, everyday devices back 2000 years or so. What would be the reaction of the local humans to such things as a gas-lighter, a motorbike, a walkie-talkie, or even a gun?</p>
<p><span id="more-104"></span>With these devices our intrepid time-traveller would seemingly be able to do the impossible. Hold fire in her hands, travel great distances at high speed, communicate over vast distances with ease, and mortally wound others without so much as touching them (apparently). With just a few demonstrations of her bag of 20th century toys our hero would certainly be revered as a great magician, but could also conceivably portray herself as a god, and would surely be worshipped as such, and stories told of her great powers long after she departed.</p>
<p>Now, let us head the other direction. Imagine it is 2000 years into the future, and the year 4009 is just beginning. Scientists have finally dotted every &#8216;i&#8217;, and crossed every &#8216;t&#8217; on the <em>Grand Unified Theory of Everything</em>. They now now how the universe came into being, but more than that, they know how to do it themselves. They take a few precautions and create a new Big Bang and spawn off a new universe parallel to their own. The new universe matures and develops much as ours did, and is basically left to its own devices for a few billion years. In a few places life develops, and a some of that life develops intelligence &#8211; and thus begins to question the origins of the universe.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m trying to make is how would we be able to tell the difference between a being who was vastly more advanced than us, and a &#8216;God&#8217;? Clearly an advanced being probably wouldn&#8217;t be a god,but they would certainly appear god-like to us. Arthur C Clarkes famous quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from           magic.</p></blockquote>
<p>can easily be re-written as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Any sufficiently advanced being is indistinguishable from god.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, if we did physically find God, how would he/she/it be able to prove they were god, and not just a highly advanced lifeform? Would it make a difference if we could or couldn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Two of my favourite authors have dealt with similar topics to the second part of my story. The first was by Isaac Asimov in <a href="http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm" target="_blank">The Last Question</a>, which deals with a vast universe encompassing computer which is asked if entropy be reversed. The second is by Terry Pratchett and is called <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Discworld-Terry-Pratchett/dp/0091886570/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1236348349&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">The Science of Discworld</a>, and centres around some wizards who live on the Discworld who manage to create a &#8216;Universe in a Bottle&#8217; that just happens to contain a world that looks startlingly like our own. This book by the way is an excellent foundation for many of the fundamentals of modern science form the Big Bang to Evolution.</p>
<p>*Just to clarify, by &#8216;we&#8217; I mean any intelligent and advanced lifeform (and possibly artificial life too).</p>
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