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		<title>In support of Rebecca Watson</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Slugsie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several months ago there was a little &#8216;scandal&#8217; that rocked the sceptical world that came to be known as Elevatorgate (gawd I hate it when people add &#8216;gate&#8217; to the end of things). To anyone who is at all involved in the sceptical community they will already know what happened and I have no desire [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several months ago there was a little &#8216;scandal&#8217; that rocked the sceptical world that came to be known as Elevatorgate (gawd I hate it when people add &#8216;gate&#8217; to the end of things). To anyone who is at all involved in the sceptical community they will already know what happened and I have no desire to go over the events here.</p>
<p>As someone who exists largely on the fringes of the sceptical and atheist communities I pretty much stayed out of the debate.  I figured that it was all just a storm in a tea-cup and would blow over soon enough. Indeed, as the weeks turned into months the story slowly faded from my sight, only occasionally popping up. Just as any big story does in the press.</p>
<p>Because I wasn&#8217;t really paying attention, and I usually switched off when I realised a blog post was about this event I never fully understood the levels of depravity some dirty low-life scum were still sinking to, and how there were treating Rebecca.</p>
<p>Until I decided to read this post:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepchick.org/2011/09/mom-dont-read-this/">http://skepchick.org/2011/09/mom-dont-read-this/</a></p>
<p>I am in utter disgust with the way that some people are treating not only a fellow human being, but also a fellow sceptic. The hate that Rebecca has had directed her way is utterly deplorable, and completely uncalled for.</p>
<p>If sides are being taken, and I really wish they weren&#8217;t, then I want to make it publicly known that I am absolutely, 100%, behind Rebecca Watson here.</p>
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		<title>Anthropogenic Global Climate Change</title>
		<link>http://www.quietatheist.com/index.php/2009/12/anthropogenic-global-climate-change/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Slugsie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ve been trying to decide if I should post something about Global Warming (or Anthropogenic Global Climate Change AGCC – my preferred moniker) for a while now. Following a couple of posts by leading sceptic James Randi (see here and here) which cause a little bit of a storm amongst the sceptic community I thought [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been trying to decide if I should post something about Global Warming (or Anthropogenic Global Climate Change AGCC – my preferred moniker) for a while now. Following a couple of posts by leading sceptic James Randi (see <a href="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/806-i-am-not-qdenyingq-anything.html" target="_blank">here</a>) which cause a little bit of a storm amongst the sceptic community I thought I’d add my own twist on the matter (although I doubt it’ll cause even a ripple).</p>
<p> <span id="more-343"></span>
<p>In many ways AGCC is a very contentious issue, and in many ways it isn’t. There is a substantial, an often vocal, group of denialists who see a conspiracy at every turn, and try to use any perceived crack as a way to shatter the whole thing. There is also an equally vocal group of AGCC evangelists who are trying to get the word out to the world, and convince us to mend our ways. Both sides have a right to an opinion, although not everyone&#8217;s opinion is backed up by evidence nor does everyone’s opinion necessarily have a right to be heard on a public platform.</p>
<p>Then there is me. Up until about 9 months ago I was what most people would probably consider to be a denialist. Not that that is how I saw myself of course, but of the two extremes that is the camp that I probably closer fitted in with. I was openly sceptical of the climate change ‘promoters’, and their motives. I knew that the long term records (various proxies – tree rings, ice cores etc) showed that CO2 and temperatures had been both much higher and much lower than they are today so it seemed reasonable that whatever was the cause then could equally be the cause today. There was no need to invoke a human cause, and try to stir up the demons that changing our ways would invoke. I didn’t so much think that the scientists were part of a conspiracy, or that they were wrong per se, but that their models were too simplistic, and that there was some hidden ‘something’ that was being ignored or overlooked.</p>
<p>Then I decided to take a step back, and examine some of my core beliefs a little closer. My musings reaffirmed my atheistic beliefs, but in doing so I realised that my reasoning for being sceptical about AGCC were almost identical to that of Creationists/Intelligent Designers and their attitude towards Evolution. Given that I accept evolution because it works, it’s supported by the science, and is the prevailing opinion of the experts in the field it seemed slightly unacceptable to deny AGCC for exactly the same reasons.</p>
<p>That’s not to say that I’ve done a complete about turn. I haven’t. As I said above, I never thought of myself as a denialist to begin with. I accepted that the data showed that we have experienced a 0.7C increase in temperature since the start of the industrial revolution. I knew that CO2 had at least the potential to influence the temperature. I was just unsure that human activity was the sole cause of it all.</p>
<p>My current view is quite a bit more complex. I accept the prevailing scientific view that human activities seem to be the primary driver behind increased CO2 levels (and other atmospheric greenhouse gasses like methane), and that these increases seem to be the primary driver behind the observed temperature increase. I am still sceptical about certain aspects however. I’m not convinced that human activities are the sole cause of climate change. I have concerns that many of the pieces of remedial action that governments and ‘green’ groups are trying to push on us are nothing more than just fund raisers, or an attempt to gain attention. Whilst stumbling around the web I frequently come across websites promoting ‘green’ goods or initiatives. Almost without fail such goods only have a thin veneer of green, and if you dig even slightly below the surface they quickly lose their credentials and they just become another persons attempt to make money on the back of a global problem. I still believe that our understanding of the intricacies of our climate are still woefully inadequate. We still do not understand whether certain aspects are positive or negative feedback systems. We’re constantly gaining insights into how the whole system hangs together, and how best to integrate such information into the models that we use to predict what will happen.</p>
<p>One thing that strikes me as odd however is that there are certain aspects of the whole Climate Change/Green arena that are surely beyond argument, but are rarely mentioned. We are highly dependant on oil, and oil is a very finite resource. Once it runs out, it’s gone. At this point it’s unclear exactly how much is left (estimates change all the time, I remember in the mid 1980s there being talk of only 15-20 years left) but it will run out. We need to work hard to find alternatives to oil (and coal) that are at least as cost effective financially. At worst such alternatives are a win, at best they’re a win-win. As a minimum they will allow our society to continue to function approximately as it does today. If the currently accepted position of too much CO2 being a bad thing continues to be held as true then anything that reduces that additional load must be a good thing.</p>
<p>As always I must point out I am not a scientist. I do not work in any field even remotely related to any form of climate science. I am just an interested bystander, and aspiring sceptic. I am willing to be proved wrong, and if I have my facts wrong I only too happy to be shown sources that help me to understand where I have gone wrong.</p>
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		<title>People are sheep</title>
		<link>http://www.quietatheist.com/index.php/2009/06/people-are-sheep/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Slugsie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The average human being is a simple creature. They go about their daily lives, obeying the law, obeying any commands given to them by authoritative figures, and obeying signs and notices all over the place.

So it was that a week or so ago in the kitchen of my place of work (I work for a large US based international IT company with offices in most countries) a cardboard box appeared, with a note attached requesting that milk bottle lids be left therein. No further information was given at all. Being the human sheep (sheople?) that we all are, milk bottle tops began to appear in the box.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average human being is a simple creature. They go about their daily lives, obeying the law, obeying any commands given to them by authoritative figures, and obeying signs and notices all over the place.</p>
<p>So it was that a week or so ago in the kitchen of my place of work (I work for a large US based international IT company with offices in most countries) a cardboard box appeared, with a note attached requesting that milk bottle lids be left therein. No further information was given at all. Being the human sheep (sheople?) that we all are, milk bottle tops began to appear in the box.</p>
<p><span id="more-258"></span>I however, was a little more sceptical. I wanted to know what the collection was for, what purpose was being served by the collection of small pieces of plastic. I suspected that it might be for some charity thing or other but I couldn&#8217;t imagine what exactly. For all I knew it was for the local KKK chapter, or maybe the BNP &#8211; two causes I absolutely don&#8217;t want to support. So I simply wrote &#8216;WHY?&#8217; on the note. For a couple of days that question went unanswered. But when the response came, it didn&#8217;t help. All that happened was that the portion of the notice I had written on was ripped off! Unperturbed I wrote another question. I simply asked if there was a reason for the collection, or if it was just a strange fetish. I figured that should be provocative enough to elicit a genuine reply.</p>
<p>A couple of days later a real response came. Again my question was ripped off, but this time an additional bit was added to the note. Apparently the collection was to help get a wheelchair for a disabled child. At last, some real information, and who wouldn&#8217;t want to help such a worthwhile cause?</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m still a sceptic.</p>
<p>So, I fired up Google, and searched &#8216;<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=wheelchair+bottle+tops&amp;meta=cr%3DcountryUK|countryGB" target="_blank">wheelchair bottle tops</a>&#8216;. Imagine my surprise (not) when I find that there are loads of people collecting milk bottle tops, and no-one seems to know exactly what to do with them. Many people are calling Hoax, and I can understand why. There may have been such a scheme once, but it obviously did the rounds, and the origins are lost and the scheme is gone.</p>
<p>But the idea persists. Some big hearted people catch a whiff of the idea, and unquestioningly perpetuate it. If just a few more people would ask &#8216;Why?&#8217; when presented with a command the world may be a better place.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great allegory for religion I feel.</p>
<p>*I don&#8217;t wish to denegrate sheep with this comparison. Sorry if it offends any of my <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep" target="_blank"><em>Ovis aries</em></a> readership.</p>
<p>P.S. If anyone genuinely does know what to do with these tops here in the UK, and can provide a web link to back it up, I&#8217;ll be sure to pass it along to the mystery collector. If there is a genuine cause that can be supported, then I&#8217;m only to happy to help out.</p>
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